Thinking Out Loud

Jim Thornber's Blog

  • About
  • How I became a monk
  • My Book

Giving Thanks

Posted by Jim Thornber on May 19, 2013
Posted in: Christian Spirituality, Scripture. Tagged: Christian Spirituality, Faith, God, Jesus, Religion, Spirituality, Thankfulness. Leave a Comment

“When you have eaten and are satisfied, praise the LORD your God for the good land he has given you.”  — Deuteronomy 8:10

Giving-Thanks-in-All-ThingsIf you’ve been involved in Christianity for more that two weeks, you’ve probably sat around the dinner table with other Christians and prayed before you ate. This is a good practice, for reminds us that God is the source of all the good things in our life. However, I think our practice of praying before a meal can become nothing more than a religious habit, especially when we are in the presence of other Christians. To be honest, the only time I ever pray over a meal is when I’m with someone else. Otherwise, I just jump right in and eat.

Although I believe that gratitude for the gifts of God needs to be a 24/7 attitude, I find I’m usually grateful on a ½ /1 basis. That is, about a half hour one day a week. Then I go and stumble upon Deuteronomy 8:10 and I feel like a worm.

Deuteronomy is the farewell address of Moses to the Israelites. Deuteronomy means “repetition of the law,” since God gave all the commandments to Moses at Mt. Sinai in the first year of the Exodus. Since most parents get really serious when they repeat something to their children, I figure God was very intentional about helping us learn the lessons found in this book.

Deuteronomy 8 is God’s reminder that we are to remain in an attitude of gratitude, and He encourages us not to forget that He brought us out of our desperate situation and into a place of abundance. God commands us to give thanks after we have eaten, otherwise “your heart will become proud and you will forget the LORD your God” (8:12). Moses goes on to warn, “You may say to yourself, ‘My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me.’ But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth” (8:17).

It’s the “after” part that I keep stumbling over. Continue Reading

What’s In Your Future?

Posted by Jim Thornber on April 28, 2013
Posted in: Christian Spirituality, Church. Tagged: Christian Spirituality, Disciples, Faith, God, Jesus, Religion, Spirituality. 1 comment

 “Paul felt compelled by the Spirit to go over to Macedonia and Achaia before going to Jerusalem. ‘And after that.” he said, ‘I must go on to Rome.’” – Acts 19:21

FutureWhen you talk about the dreams you have for the future, what do they involve? Do they include a comfortable retirement, a good 401k, perhaps some traveling? Those are a few of the things I think about. But then, as I’m preaching through the book of Acts at my church, I come across this verse where Paul says he must go on to Rome. It seems Paul’s idea of a future involved going to Rome and dying for His Lord, while Jesus’ earthly future involved Calvary. Both these men finished their lives with the needs of others on their mind and the promotion of the Good News on their hearts. Now I have to ask myself this question: Does my vision of the future involve the Good News of Jesus brought into people’s lives? How about you? What is your Gospel hope? Where do you plan to take the Gospel next?

If the Gospel is truly moving in you; if the Word of God is so deep into your life that it is able to judge and separate the thoughts and attitudes of your heart (Heb. 4:12), then it will confront any vision of the future that does not include speaking about the goodness of God and the sacrifice of His one and only Son. I’ll take it a step further. I don’t know if it is possible to be a fully dedicated disciple of Jesus Christ and have a vision for the future that does not include making disciples, because the Great Commission of Jesus to the Church is to take the Gospel into all nations and make disciples. It wasn’t to make churches, construct nice buildings, develop an exciting Children’s church, put together a killer worship team and hire a dynamic preacher that makes you feel good about your relationship with God. Christ commissioned us to make disciples.

Can we truly be obedient to God and not be involved in making disciples of Jesus? If you will not put yourself out and involve yourself in the lives of others in a way that introduces the full story of Jesus and the power of Calvary, then you can say you love God until you run out of breathe, but the truth is you’re not obeying the Word of the Lord.

Continue Reading

I Refuse To Be A Dittohead

Posted by Jim Thornber on April 21, 2013
Posted in: Christian Spirituality, Leadership, Scripture. Tagged: Christian Spirituality, Faith, God, Jesus, Pastor, Religion, Spirituality. 7 comments

And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding. – Jeremiah 3:15

ditto headI did not grow up wanting to be a pastor. I sort of stumbled into it by default. I’ve been told from my early teen years that I was a good teacher and I’ve developed that skill over the years. But I didn’t want to be a pastor, just a teacher.

However, this was the problem I encountered with not wanting to be a pastor: in order to be a teacher in a church, too often I was forced to fit into the mold of the senior pastor. He wanted to recreate me in his image, make me be like him. He wanted me to think like him, have his sense of humor and his manner of speech. Too often they wanted a “mini-me.” And since I wasn’t always willing to be like him, my teaching opportunities were infrequent.

The Lord says in Jeremiah 3:15 that He will give people shepherds (pastors) after His own heart. If this is so, then why did most pastors I served with (read that, “under”) want to make me in the image of their heart at the expense of God’s heart? Why did I have to do an imitation of them in order to do what God called me to do? I finally determined that to do what I felt called by God to do I had to be a pastor, a shepherd and leader, after God’s own heart. I couldn’t do an imitation of a pastor still living in the 1970’s. I had to be who God called me to be.

I’ve been reading Eugene Peterson’s new memoir The Pastor. In this book he quotes Baron Friedrich von Hügel who said “there are no dittos in souls.” When I read that I wanted to jump up and shout, “That’s it! I don’t have to be like anyone else. I just need to follow the heart of God!” Continue Reading

I Want to be SPECTACULAR!

Posted by Jim Thornber on April 14, 2013
Posted in: Christian Spirituality, Religion, Scripture. Tagged: Christian Spirituality, Faith, God, Jesus, Spirituality. 4 comments

“Elisha sent a messenger to say to him. ‘Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed.’” — 2 Kings 5:10

When I read this passage, two things stand out and cause me pause. First, why is an entire chapter in the Old Testament given over to this one character and his leprosy? And two, why am I so familiar with just how Naaman must have felt when he was told to wSpectacularash in the Jordan River?

As for the first question . . . I haven’t got a clue. Maybe God just thought it was important. If you know, send me an e-mail.

But what really bothers me is Naaman’s response to Elisha’s directives to go wash in the Jordan. Here is a highly regarded warrior whom the king of Aram knew to be a great man, “because through him the LORD had given victory to Aram” (vs. 1). Aram, by the way, is also known as Syria, whose capital is Damascus. But I digress.

Here’s the picture: Naaman is a great warrior, esteemed by all, adored by the masses and rich enough to own a slave girl imported from Israel. His only problem seemed to be a small case of leprosy, which is a bit more distressing than acute acne but not as bad terminal cancer.

Naaman, like most of us, first faces a crisis (leprosy, or cancer or something tragic in my life like another rejection letter from an editor) and the solution (go bathe in a muddy stream, or bow to God or apologize to your family for being selfish or something equally mundane). “Wait!” I want to shout, “I’m a SOMEBODY. Elisha, you can’t be serious.  Don’t just send out your maid and tell me to do something mundane. I’m special and I want special treatment!”

That’s it, right? I know I’m somebody special and I want the world to acknowledge it. Continue Reading

Who Owns Your Thoughts?

Posted by Jim Thornber on April 7, 2013
Posted in: Christian Spirituality, Religion. Tagged: Christian Spirituality, Faith, God, Jesus, Religion, Spirituality. 1 comment

minds-under-constructionIn Luke 12:15, Jesus said, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”  I’ll admit that when I read this sentence, the first thing that comes to mind when I think about possessions is my “stuff.” And I’d be correct, for Jesus said this in reply to two brothers who were having a not-so-friendly family argument over an inheritance. He then went on to tell a parable about a rich man who built bigger barns to hold his crop, only to die and leave everything he had hoarded to someone else.

But I want to extend to you the possibility that not only is the property we own to be held lightly, but so are our thoughts.  I know every one of us can be as jealous over the control of our thoughts as we are of our things. I’m prone to believe that if I have a thought, it’s probably a good one and therefore worth keeping. This is especially true when an editor wants me to change a sentence in an article, or worse, eliminate something! I want to say, “This is my BABY! This is good stuff and inspired by the Holy Spirit, and now you want to edit God’s inspiration?!?” But they are usually right, which is why I hire them in the first place. The bigger problem starts, however, when the thoughts I hold come into disagreement with the thoughts of God. Continue Reading

Satan’s Accusations Are True!

Posted by Jim Thornber on March 31, 2013
Posted in: Christian Spirituality. Tagged: Apostle Paul, Christian Spirituality, Demons, Faith, God, Jesus, Religion, Satan, Spirituality. Leave a Comment

“These men are servants of the Most High God, and they have come to tell you how to be saved” — Acts 16:17

truth among the liesI supposed someone has to say it, but I’m convinced that not everything the devil says is a lie. Sometimes what the demons in our lives accuse us of is absolutely true, and we need to get used to it. In fact, I think we should learn not only to embrace his accusations, but to rejoice in them as well. Can you imagine living your life in such a manner that when the devil talks about you he tells the truth and glorifies God? I can.

Now, before you write me off as just another heretic, let me explain. In Acts 16, Paul and his companions are in Philippi, staying in the home of Lydia, a recent believer. One day as they head to the place of prayer, they are confronted by a demon-possessed slave girl who told fortunes and made money for her masters.

This girl was literally possessed by a python spirit, which is the term used in the original Greek. The term python was used in Greek mythology for the snake that guarded the Oracle of Delphi, who was the priestess at the Temple of Apollo at Delphi in Greece. After Apollo killed the snake it became a designation for a person with the power of divination. The same Greek term is used for the woman with a familiar spirit at Endor who spoke to King Saul in 1 Sam. 28:7. The slave girl was possessed by an evil spirit that enabled her to tell fortunes.

For some reason, this girl went from making money for her masters by telling fortunes to following Paul and his companions around and shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, and they have come to tell you how to be saved” (vs.17). It should remind you of some of the demons who shouted at Jesus in the Gospels, calling Him the “Son of God” (Luke 4:41) and “the Holy One sent from God” (Mark 1:25), and “Jesus, Son of the Most High God” (Mark 5:7).

Finally, Paul gets tired of this true but very annoying publicity and casts the demon out of her. Now, we’ve just read about demons who shouted about Jesus and Paul, showing an accurate acknowledgment of the true character of those they were confronting. Like I said in the beginning, sometimes what the demons in our lives accuse us of is absolutely true. Knowing this has me asking this very bothersome question: If a person with a demon were to follow me around, what would they accuse me of? Just to be fair, what would they accuse you of? Continue Reading

The Gift

Posted by Jim Thornber on March 29, 2013
Posted in: Christian Spirituality, Poetry. Tagged: Faith, God, Good Friday, Jesus, Religion, Spirituality. Leave a Comment

A little poem to commemorate this beautiful, tragic, unspeakable yet praise-worthy day. Enjoy.

THE GIFT

Never was given

A gift so pure

To endure

Such sorrow great,

To separate

From eternity.

But He

Reminds us

To look

Behind us

And see

The tree

That held our gift so pure,

Where love endures

Our sorrows,

Eternally.

          JDT – April, 1990

Posts navigation

← Older Entries
  • My Book

    If you want to purchase a copy of my book, click the image.

    This book tells of the lessons I learned as an Assemblies of God minister who was also a monk. For four years I lived with the Brothers and Sister of Charity at the Little Portion Hermitage. I went there because I thought it was unique and would make my spiritual life comfortable. God showed me I had to take off my comfortable clothes and put on the clothes of Christ. You can click the image to learn more and purchase the book.

  • May 2013
    S M T W T F S
    « Apr    
     1234
    567891011
    12131415161718
    19202122232425
    262728293031  
  • Archives

    • May 2013
    • April 2013
    • March 2013
    • February 2013
    • January 2013
    • December 2012
    • November 2012
    • October 2012
    • September 2012
    • August 2012
    • July 2012
    • June 2012
    • May 2012
    • April 2012
    • March 2012
    • February 2012
    • January 2012
    • December 2011
    • November 2011
    • October 2011
    • September 2011
    • August 2011
    • July 2011
    • June 2011
    • May 2011
    • April 2011
    • March 2011
    • February 2011
    • January 2011
    • December 2010
    • November 2010
    • October 2010
    • September 2010
    • August 2010
    • July 2010
    • June 2010
    • May 2010
    • April 2010
    • March 2010
    • February 2010
    • January 2010
    • December 2009
    • November 2009
    • October 2009
    • September 2009
    • August 2009
    • July 2009
    • June 2009
    • May 2009
    • April 2009
    • March 2009
    • February 2009
    • January 2009
    • December 2008
    • November 2008
    • October 2008
  • Blogroll

    • Archie
    • bbgcmac
    • Bellissimanh
    • Beth Sciallo
    • Brothers And Sisters of Charity
    • George Cannon
    • internet monk
    • Kin Robles
    • natalie spera
  • Recent Posts

    • Giving Thanks
    • What’s In Your Future?
    • I Refuse To Be A Dittohead
    • I Want to be SPECTACULAR!
    • Who Owns Your Thoughts?
  • Recent Comments

    Nikki on Scriptures That Bother Me…
    Nikki on Scriptures That Bother Me…
    Jim Thornber on Scriptures That Bother Me…
    jim eckley on Scriptures That Bother Me…
    jim eckley on I Refuse To Be A Dittohea…
  • Pages

    • About
    • How I became a monk
    • My Book
  • RSS Thinking Out Loud

    • Giving Thanks May 19, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • What’s In Your Future? April 28, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • I Refuse To Be A Dittohead April 21, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • I Want to be SPECTACULAR! April 14, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • Who Owns Your Thoughts? April 7, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • Satan’s Accusations Are True! March 31, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • The Gift March 29, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • God Behind The Scenes March 24, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • The Joy and Pain of Living in Community March 17, 2013 Jim Thornber
    • Giving it Back to God March 3, 2013 Jim Thornber
  • Tags

    Abraham Apostle Paul Assemblies of God Brothers and Sisters of Charity Catholic Catholicism Christianity Christian Spirituality Christmas Church Community Living Confession Ecumenism Faith Forgiveness God Hebrews International Pentecostal Holiness Church Jesus Job John Michael Talbot Leadership Little Portion Love Luke Mark Twain Mary Matthew monasticism Money Monk Moses Obedience Pastor prayer Publishing Religion Salvation Savior Scripture Service Spiritual Gifts Spirituality Worship Writing
  • Top Posts

    • Scriptures That Bother Me -- Matthew 14:28-30
    • Warning: Church Membership Ahead
    • Scriptures That Bother Me -- Exodus 20:7
    • Scriptures That Bother Me - Micah 6:8
    • Scriptures That Bother Me -- Galatians 1:10
    • God Left Me Alone?
    • Scriptures That Bother Me -- Hebrews 11:16
    • My Book
    • Scriptures That Bother Me -- Ecclesiastes 9:10
    • Giving Thanks
  • Meta

    • Register
    • Log in
    • Entries RSS
    • Comments RSS
    • WordPress.com
Blog at WordPress.com. Theme: Parament by Automattic.
Thinking Out Loud
Blog at WordPress.com. Theme: Parament.
Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 96 other followers

Powered by WordPress.com
Cancel